Poll #19365 Taps, or British Things That Still Bother Me After More Than a Decade
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When I am at a basin/sink, I prefer for there to be

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A single adjustable tap
54 (71.1%)

Separate taps for hot and cold water
22 (28.9%)

If there are two taps, I expect the hot tap to be on the side I reach with my

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Left hand
55 (76.4%)

Right hand
17 (23.6%)

Separate taps???

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I know. WHYYY
40 (56.3%)

Yes. What's wrong with that?
31 (43.7%)

machiavellijr: Tragedy and comedy masks with crossed cutlasses (Default)

From: [personal profile] machiavellijr


I am British and even I wonder what the separate taps thing is about.
cmcmck: (Default)

From: [personal profile] cmcmck


I have to admit to having no strong views on the matter :o)
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From: [personal profile] antisoppist


I didn't answer left or right because I don't know! All I want is for them to be clearly labelled with H and C or a blue dot and a red dot or something! I wouldn't expect them to be the same way round every time anyway so they should say.

I do not like mixer taps. They are a horrible newfangled concept that makes life needlessly complicated. My house has two of the bloody things and I can't remember which way is hot and which way is cold and one is set sideways on so it isn't even as if they are the same because one is left-right and the other is backwards-forwards!

I can never remember which way the shower turns either and usually get more water when I am trying to turn it off. It is probably just me.

Have you been listening to last night's John Finnemore?
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From: [personal profile] ankaret


I don't know either. I just look for the red or blue dot.

I grew up with the idea that hot water tanks were nasty things and you didn't want the cold, drinking water to come from the same tap as the hot non-drinking water, but I don't know how true this is or ever was.
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From: [personal profile] antisoppist


That sounds familiar. Definitely something in childhood about cold water coming straight and fresh from the mains while hot sat about in the hot tank being heated up and cooling down again so you wouldn't want to be drinking it.

It is all the fault of British plumbing I think.

There is also the thing where the hot water tank will run out, so if you want a bath, you run the hot first to get as much hot water as you are going to get, and then dilute it with sufficient cold to make it bearable to get in, because there won't be any more hot for a while. I still mentally assume hot water is rationed and run my baths like that even though for the first time ever (in my 40s), I live in a house with an instant water-heating boiler.
liseuse: (Default)

From: [personal profile] liseuse


It's to do with fear of Legionella - a genuinely reasonable fear, but not really applicable to anywhere where the boilet/hot water system only provides enough hot water at any one time to fill the system. So, when people had huge boilers in their attics, water was hanging around for a long time and didn't get refreshed. These days people tend to have replaced their boilers, and they don't store water, they pull from the mains, heat, and use. So, if you have an instant water-heating boiler, or a boiler with a small tank, you are absolutely fine. (I work in a department which is all about the Legionella inspection and training.)
liseuse: (Default)

From: [personal profile] liseuse


You are welcome! It's nice when my odd little job (Operations Manager for a University Estates Department) comes in useful!
perennialanna: Plum Blossom (Default)

From: [personal profile] perennialanna


I thought lead-lined cold water tanks (to go with lead water pipes). Also drowned pigeons, rats etc.

As children we weren't allowed to drink the cold water in the bathroom (upstairs) because that had been sitting in the cold water tank in the loft, and when the tank leaked and was removed and I saw the inside I very much saw the point of that. The cold water tap in the kitchen came straight off the mains so was deemed fine (then it turned out to come untreated from a borehole, which we only found out when the council got a wrong number and thought we were the dairy and rang up to say the cattle mustn't be allowed to drink the water any more, so my mother said what about us. Bottled water only for quite a long time until it all got sorted out).

Not really doing anything for stereotypes of British plumbing here...
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From: [personal profile] liseuse


The lead-lining is also a concern, but it takes a back seat (HSE-wise anyway) to Legionella because lead is a much longer exposure time concern whereas Legionella, and therefore Legionnaire's Disease, becomes apparent more quickly.

I confess to finding concerns about the cleanliness of drinking water (outside of my professional life which is very concerned with it) mildly hilarious because all my family living outside England pulled water from dubious wells until at least 2000.
perennialanna: Plum Blossom (Default)

From: [personal profile] perennialanna


Lead poisoning was probably more on my parents' mind, after most of our chickens died of lead poisoning (pecking paint off an old door used as a roof for their house).
liseuse: (Default)

From: [personal profile] liseuse


That would definitely bring it to the fore of someone's mind! Weirdly I was writing part of a report the other day about lead pipes (we have some in some of our Estate, but it's fine because the lining isn't being disturbed and the lead levels in the water are well within acceptable parameters) and it made me look at my building survey from when I bought my house. Thankfully the people before me (or the people before them) had replaced all the pipework.
ankaret: (Empathy)

From: [personal profile] ankaret


Thank you! My parents did indeed have a vast ancient boiler in the attic (which occasionally also contained rats, because living in the country), so that explains that.
liseuse: (Default)

From: [personal profile] liseuse


I'm glad my weird remit of job-related knowledge came in handy!
pbristow: (_XI-sing-(fuzzy))

From: [personal profile] pbristow


"A lot of shower designs seem specifically calculated to get you to unintentionally flood yourself with cold water."

Yup, that's one of my pet peeves! =:o}

siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)

From: [personal profile] siliconshaman


Not a fan of mixer taps, because if you run the hot water for a bit, it heats the tap up. Which means the next person to run the cold tap gets unexpectedly warm-to-hot water instead.

Besides, is it so very hard to work separate taps? It's all going the same place.
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From: [personal profile] liseuse


I grew up on washing my hands in freezing water, which according to a study I read recently is no worse than hot water hygienically, as long as you rinse for the correct amount of time and use some form of friction enhancer (so, soap), but it is significantly less pleasant than warm water.
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From: [personal profile] pbristow


[NODS] For the last 7 or 8 years I've been using cold water for almost everything except showering or making tea. The boiler stays turned off. It's saved me a fortune in needlessly heating a tank full of water big enough to fill a (non-existent!) bath-tub, only to have most of that heat just leak away into a drafty hallway and out through my front door! If the tank was actually located in my living space, at least it would be acting as a semi-useful storage heater... =:o\

*Occasionally*, if the weather's really cold and I don't have time (or the energy!) a full shower, I'll boil a kettle full of water and add it to two kettles of cold in a bowl, and treat myself to a nice warm foot-soak. Basically, the hot taps are superfluous. =:o}

My main tip for reducing the discomfort of cold-water washing is to do it in short bursts.
1. Plunge hands through stream to thoroughly wet them, then immediately:
2. soap and rub them thoroughly while *not* under the tap (paying good attention to the gaps between fingers),
3. quickly rinse them under the tap,
4. rub them thoroughly again,
5. quick final rinse, and dry with a towel.

Done! =:o}

It's the combination of soap and rubbing that dislodges the dirt (and dead skin), and then you just need shorts bursts of running water to flush it away.
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From: [personal profile] wohali


This. I came here to say precisely this.

It is also helpful when washing dishes, where you want to use hot (but not scalding) water because your hands have to be in/near it, and then want to use scalding hot water when your hands aren't near it, and then cold water to rinse.

Also, there is a lot to be said for thermostatic valves, which automatically adjust for fluctuating water pressure and keep the temperature in e.g. your shower constant when someone flushes the toilet, starts the washing machine, handwashes some dishes, etc. I like them so much, I have them in most of my taps in the house now.

And also hurrah for tankless water heaters (gas powered here in North America, and in Asia, where I first started using them regularly). The ones I have even have remote controls so you can adjust the water temp before you draw a bath, start the washing machine, and so on. Simply outstanding.
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

From: [personal profile] azurelunatic


Is this separate knobs but one spout, or two *snicker* knobs and two spouts?
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From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric


I don't mind two taps, but there should be only one spigot! This variation is common in Australia but less so in the UK, I have found.
ankaret: Picture of two Maine Coon cats (Holmies)

From: [personal profile] ankaret


Oh, yes, that must be infuriating. I lived in a flat where the hot water took forever to warm up and got used to cold water as a default when I was a student, but I don't see why anyone else should have to. (And that flat was a step up from the flat Peter was living in the year before, which had a completely terrifying gas geyser in the bathroom)
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From: [personal profile] silveradept


I prefer being able to mix my water temperature myself, and I have several occasions where I need only the one or the other, and therefore separate taps, please.
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From: [personal profile] liseuse


That's why I went with a mixer where I can shove the slidey thing all the way to the right - allllll the hot water makes allllllll the bubbles in the stream of boiling water. Happy sighhhhh.
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From: [personal profile] karen2205


I think you're 'supposed' to put a plug in the sink and run an accceptable-to-you mix of hot + cold water to wash your hands properly in the sink without running the tap and 'wasting the water'. Washing your hands under a running tap was probably in the reasonably recent past considered the height of luxury/waste.
pbristow: (_Geeky)

From: [personal profile] pbristow


Yeah, as a kid I was regularly told off for washing my hands under a running tap. Bear in mind this was the 1970s, and in one of those years summers we had a nation-wide drought, water rationing, etc. Most summers featured hosepipe bans, and Dad was one of the army of do-it-yourselfers who rigged up a water butt to collect the waste water from our bathroom (sink and bath, NOT the toilet!), for legally sanctioned garden-watering. =:o}

The thing is, washing under the tap only wastes water if you do it for too long. I've always found that with the mix-it-in-a-bowl technique, if you run both taps for long enough to get enough water to submerge your hands properly, then it takes more than half as long as I usually spend running *one* tap for direct washing.

fred_mouse: line drawing of sheep coloured in queer flag colours with dream bubble reading 'dreamwidth' (Default)

From: [personal profile] fred_mouse


I know that in parts of rural Australia, it was standard to fill the sink just enough to wash hands, and then use the same water all day. Which yes, saves water, but no, ick.

When we were camping, hand washing was a two person activity, with the second person pouring the tiniest dribble of water out of a bottle to rinse the second persons hands.
liseuse: Clint Barton (aka Hawkeye) from the new Marvel comic run, shoots an arrow. (Clint shoots an arrow)

From: [personal profile] liseuse


When I got my bathroom re-done I went for mixer tapes because it was easier, and it's more modern and therefore, if I ever sell, it'll be a neutral point, unlike separate taps being a negative point.

But, I don't really care that much. It has genuinely never bothered me to have to switch hands between taps or run a bit of a bowl of water. And this is entirely because I grew up in houses where the taps were separate. My maternal grandmother didn't even have running hot water upstairs. You washed your hands in cold water (with coal tar soap!) and there was hot running water downstairs.

I think of the hot water as being the left hand tap (as I'm facing them) and that is how my mixer taps are - you slide the top bit to the left for hot, and to the right for cold.
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From: [personal profile] liseuse


I was delighted the other year when I realised that my dad (who lives in France) has non-mixer taps in all of his bathrooms. I genuinely did a bit of a "it's not just the UK!" dance.

Oh no! That is rubbish! I had that in a house at university and it was very perilous.
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From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid


I like a single spout with separate taps over a mixer tap. But a mixer tap over two separate spouts.
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From: [personal profile] fred_mouse


I would claim this as well, except that the last two weeks I've noticed myself only using one of the sinks in the bathroom at work, and it is the one with the 'new-fangled' lever option. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it is the one next to the soap dispenser and the paper towel dispenser. Or the fact that it is often left at that perfect amount warm.
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From: [personal profile] st_aurafina


Separate taps seems very old fashioned to me. Even one tap with two handles is not that common in Australia anymore.

I prefer a mixer tap so you can set the temperature to what you want, with a minimum of contact with bathroom fixtures. (In micro, we had to swab bathrooms and see what grew. I am still scarred.)
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From: [personal profile] angrboda


The thing about separate taps, apart from being positively archaic, is the cold tap is always a half degree away from frozen and the hot tap is a half degree away from boiling. How can you wash your hands properly if you have to keep rushing them from one tap to the other while going 'eek, ouch, eek, ouch, eek, ouch' the whole time???

(Additionally, fancy pants no-touch taps which just turn on when you stick your hands under. Except you can't control how much water comes out when they're turned on. We've got them at work. Service staff is always going, "please don't splash about so much when washing hands, it's such a mess to clean up," and we're always going, "how do I not splash in this tsunami, look at my clothes!" I'm sure they're very hygenic, but...)
fred_mouse: line drawing of sheep coloured in queer flag colours with dream bubble reading 'dreamwidth' (Default)

From: [personal profile] fred_mouse


Oh, those no-touch taps. Yuck. They are starting to be the thing that appears in shopping centre loos when refurbishments happen, and they are always the wrong amount of water, and the wrong temperature, and I waste so much water.
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From: [personal profile] haggis


I am not sure about Legionella as a cause but I know that there are strict rules about how you can connect to the water mains in the UK to prevent backflow from dirty water and hence potentially contaminating the water network.

So for high risk things there has to be a full flow overflow that can spill without reaching the level of the inlet pipe (a toilet cistern has one of those). Less risky connections can have double non-return valves instead so I suspect they have those in modern plumbing systems which allows you to use mixer taps.

I definitely prefer mixer taps (clearly labelled!) and I don’t know why people stick with separate taps now we can have them but there used to be a practical reason for them.
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From: [personal profile] askygoneonfire


I always thought the two taps thing here was a result of many, many house being retrofitted with hot water a long time after running cold water was installed. And then as a nation, we just kind of accepted that was the way to arrange taps. But I see above there may have been a public health motivation which is interesting. I hate new tap options where you turn the lever to left or right to prejudice it to hot or cold but you can never really entirely have one or the other. Proper turning on/off tap heads and a single spout is definitely more convenient.

Plenty of places growing up still only had cold water taps (and I vividly remember the pre-school playgroup I went to still had outside toilets - nothing is as 'refreshing' as sitting down on an outside toilet in winter *shivers*)
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From: [personal profile] niqaeli


Ohhhh, I answered the poll based on separate knobs with one spout where they mix together into a reasonable temperature -- I hadn't realised you meant separate spouts! I hate single knobs, they're impossible for me to ever get adjusted to a desirable temperature, but separate spouts would also drive me batty, good lord.

(Like, the explanation of hot water tanks in the above threads didn't really quite explain the problem for me until I saw the later comments, because... I grew up with terrible, inefficient hot water tanks in the semi-rural South? And we had separate knobs with a single spout, so I hadn't realised anyone would consider it a health issue!)
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