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Mad Scientess ([personal profile] nanila) wrote2012-05-31 11:26 am

Eastercon and diversity

[livejournal.com profile] lapswood was kind enough to send me a few photos he took at Eastercon last month. I thought this one made a nice illustration of some points that were made about PoCs and the (lack of) diversity at science fiction conventions.

This is from the panel I was on. Myself, the gentleman next to me and the man on the opposite end from me are all working scientists. The other man is the moderator - I'm not sure whether or not he is a scientist.



When I look at this picture, the first thing that pops into my head is the Sesame Street song: "One of these things is not like the others/One of these things just doesn't belong."

Visually, the thing that doesn't belong is me. And that makes me sad. What does it make you think?
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[personal profile] qian 2012-06-02 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
So I guess what I would wonder--and it might well vary by culture--is how SF and science and regarded as interests by the average person. Is liking science considered nerdy or within the normal range of hobbies/careers/interests? Is liking SF considered an ordinary interest or way out there weird? And also how SF is regarded by scientists in the culture--do other scientists look at you funny if you admit to reading SF, or do they all have shelves of it at home?

Ah, that's really interesting! Thanks for explaining. It makes sense, and I also do not know the answers. Though speculating would make for a fun conversation!

I do kind of wonder if female scientists in Asian countries get the "Woah, you're a scientist? But math is so hard for women!" reaction all the time.

I don't think so, but am not scientist in Asian country so couldn't say for sure. But -- just from my experiences growing up -- I'd say the expectation that boys will outperform girls in the maths and hard sciences is less, hm, intense/pervasive? I think it must still be there because when I got to uni men still dominated in the engineering and sciences courses among my primarily-Asian friend groups. They just didn't outnumber the women AS much as they did among Westerners.

Of course, the additional layer of context is that many of the Asians I was friends with spoke English as a second language. Maths and engineering and subjects like that are seen as being easier for people who don't like writing essays, and most of e.g. the Mainland Chinese people I knew at uni were either mathematicians or engineers. So, y'know, I don't know what the gender balance in the maths and engineering fields are like in Mainland China, whether there's even more of a bias towards men.
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[personal profile] holyschist 2012-06-02 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course, the additional layer of context is that many of the Asians I was friends with spoke English as a second language. Maths and engineering and subjects like that are seen as being easier for people who don't like writing essays, and most of e.g. the Mainland Chinese people I knew at uni were either mathematicians or engineers. So, y'know, I don't know what the gender balance in the maths and engineering fields are like in Mainland China, whether there's even more of a bias towards men.

*nods* You're talking about the UK? Because yeah, I would expect it to be different in more of an expat situation. It's pretty similar in the US.