nanila: me (scientist)
([personal profile] nanila Jun. 17th, 2005 05:27 pm)
Nothing horrifies me quite like failure. It's part of the reason I went into science. It was challenging intellectually, yes, but to be perfectly honest, it was also pretty simple to earn credentials - degrees, papers, recommendations, the respect and admiration of family and friends. Academia sure does give a person a false sense of self-importance. Your advisers shuffle you from undergrad to grad school to postdoc and you don't have to worry much about staying employed. PIs in experimental science always need lab grunts.

In science, you must share your output with other people and subject it to their scrutiny. However, their judgment is not aesthetic; in experimental science, it's hardly subjective at all. You have four or five people who make similar measurements using similar techniques deciding whether or not they think your results are consistent with current theory. Usually, they approve. Usually, they care little for the presentation unless it's completely incomprehensible. And voila, you're published. It really is frightfully easy to be successful in experimental science, in my opinion, without ever risking your ego. Stick to known techniques, perhaps combine them in a slightly different way, and you'll produce a mountain of new and important results. Maybe they won't be revolutionary, but they will be valuable.

Maybe this is my viewpoint simply because I never aspired to be a world-class experimental chemical physicist. Figuring out why would probably be another post on fear of failure all to itself.

With writing, drawing or photography, the only way to be successful is to share your work and subject it to other people's aesthetic judgment. No one is going to take time out of their day to look at what you've made unless you convince them it's worthwhile. You have to believe in your work, and if it's to be any good, it represents a total investment of your ego. It requires both emotional and intellectual conviction. The only field in science that demands so much of an individual is theoretical physics.

I'm afraid to make an exclusive commitment to creative work. There's an uncomfortably real risk of failure, of years and years of abortive attempts and of living in obscurity and poverty. It's even more difficult when I have such an accessible escape route. I can move back to California. I have a place to live. I have a huge network of colleagues and friends. I could settle, probably not happily, but contentedly, into a research career.

I feel as though I have to decide whether a blinking blue light in the darkness is a lantern fish's lure or just a bunch of bioluminescent bacteria. But in reality, it's likely that neither of these options is as irrevocable or dire as I think it is right now.

From: [identity profile] youraugustine.livejournal.com


::clicks tongue:: True - or to redefine the internal concept of success. Which is not necessarily any easier. But that would be why I'm looking for a general career path/possibility that will support me sufficiently for me to have time to devote to the creative (hopefully also honing skills with words that are useful and necessary for the work I've to do.)

From: [identity profile] communistgnome.livejournal.com


Donald Trump is a fucking idiot. If he is not an idiot, then his presentation is just ridiculous. I've watched 1.5 seasons of The Apprentice, and I seriously wonder how that self-absorbed egotistical ass-clown managed to find the success he has found.

Oh yeah, it was a lucky break amidst bankruptcies.

The thing is, he pays little mind to consequences, does what he feels like doing, and happens to get lucky.

The PEOPLE on the Apprentice are similar in their level of ass-clowniness. It's like watching a moron herding idiots and criticizing everything they do.

Intelligent people have a little more trouble taking risks, on account of they actually consider what they're doing, the consequences of actions, and the viability of a given endeavor. Intelligent people think. A lot. Which is usually good, but can be crippling.

You have a quick and agile mind. You seem to adapt to new situations with little trouble. You display a great deal of creativity.

Take a lesson from the ass-clowns. Go ahead and let yourself do something without worrying whether or not it's a mistake. You'll land on your feet regardless.

From: [identity profile] scanner-darkly.livejournal.com

A trump koan


My cousin works as crew on the set of the Apprentice. I asked him about Trump, and he said Trump was very nice...off camera. Also stated an anecdote that may not be true, but goes like this:

late 80's, Trump is going somewhere in the back of a limo, depressed. He's over $200 million in debt, in a lot of trouble, no idea what to do next.

The limo stops at a red light. Trump looks out and sees a bum there, begging for money. Someone drops a dollar bill into the bum's can. Trump things: "that guy's worth $200,000,001 more than me right now, and look at him, and then look at me." He grumps about that a second, then pauses and reflects on that.

At that moment, Trump attains enlightenment.

From: [identity profile] communistgnome.livejournal.com


No problem. Going through a bit of the same thing myself lately. Not similar in actuality, but it all centers around the same kind of stuff.

Anyway, glad it helped. Kick some ass and take some names.

From: [identity profile] souptime.livejournal.com



why can't you be frightfully successful in experimental science
and, a frightfully successful artist
too?


and, frightfully add me back to your friend list
here is incentive


Image


it's a picture of my new semi-transparent tool box
that's right!
I'm re-tooling!







From: [identity profile] katzimir.livejournal.com


why can't you be frightfully successful in experimental science
and, a frightfully successful artist
too?


Because she dislikes the taste of methamphetamine?

From: [identity profile] souptime.livejournal.com



well, jesus christ
I have to say I don’t get it
I googgled Methamphetamine


Methamphetamine, a derivative of amphetamine, is a powerful stimulant that affects the central nervous system.


http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/methamph/


So what? Not everybody needs drugs to explode with creative energy
So, I have to say I have no prepared response to you comment





From: [identity profile] katzimir.livejournal.com


Sorry about that. Basically I was just being a complete bastard and suggesting that in order two have two successful careers (which plenty of people burn themselves out trying to do one of) she would need to abstain from sleep. In a more-than-coffee kind of way.

Far more important is the fact that a British quiz show informed me that the lantern on an angler fish is in fact designed to attract a mate rather than prey, and the smaller and less-impressive male fish is then absorbed into the female's body, leaving only his reproductive organs behind.

From: [identity profile] victorine.livejournal.com

What he said...


The fact that you have a safe place to land is exactly why you should take the risk and devote yourself to something you love. It may not be profitable or well received, but at least you'll have tried it. And honestly I don't think that you'll fail horribly at anything you set yourself to. One of the scariest things to do is put yourself entirely in your own hands, and I think yours are very capable.

From: [identity profile] sadira42.livejournal.com


Nothing wrong with a bit of fear. I think fear can drive you to do well, to really try. However, like someone above me said - you can do both. Maybe you can try the creative thing on a trial basis. Throw yourself into it. And having a back-up is just a lovely plus.

From: [identity profile] imyril.livejournal.com


The agony of creative work in this sense is that nobody can tell you how long it will take to create something that achieves success. You may create a peerless gem early on, and still struggle for years to have it recognised - the world is full of f*ckwits.

You can't let that stop you, or the world would have no artists. So I think you are correct - the choice is how much to risk, how long to risk it for - and to acknowledge that these choices introduce the risk of never quite giving it enough and always wondering whether you should have invested more.

I believe that's a better place to be than to wonder whether you should ever have tried at all.

Your dilemma strikes a chord over here, as it is something I struggle with too. The difference is that I do not have a successful career in a field that I value, so in that respect I have less to lose. In spite of this, I'm still failing to make a decision because of The Fear.

The Fear's shadow-twin is the fear that I will always fail to make a decision, and always give in to my lack of self-confidence. That I will end up a crooked old lady with crabbed hands and a big stick (because I fully intend to have a stick to wave about when I'm feeling crotchety :) who whinges on about how she could have done something once. Only she never got round to it. If you see me doing this one of these years, gas me.

Meh.

I'm trying to say "try", but I don't think you want/need this encouragement. You need to find it in yourself. I can lend you a torch if you need to go looking in dark places, but I think the battery is on the blink.

From: [identity profile] sekl.livejournal.com


One of my favorite quotes is from A Man for All Seasons: "We hold our souls like water in our hands." Well that and a cheap shot at Wales, but the first one is more relevant.

If you give up part of yourself for safety, if you learn to accept unhappiness, you'll find yourself changing in miserably bitter ways. You can't sell off part of your heart and remain whole. Sure, there will be failure, but you're the only person who holds the ridiculously high expectation that you won't fail occasionally. Creative people, with the exception it seems of George Lucas, learn from failure and set-backs.

Poverty sucks, but so does living without feeling there's a purpose to your life. Or that you missed the greater purpose. And the joy of having been successful at your previous career is you have awards, articles, and flashy thingies to put in the face of anyone who gives you crap about "the real world".

From: [identity profile] sekl.livejournal.com


"Pardon me, I didn't spend all those years getting my Evil doctorate to be called Ms. Mad Scientist."

From: [identity profile] bellelaqueen.livejournal.com


Nothing horrifies me quite like failure.

and nothing motivates like fear, use it and do what makes you happy.


Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable.
— Sydney J. Harris

From: [identity profile] bellelaqueen.livejournal.com


Oh yeah, and have you by any chance been watching The Blue Planet recently?

From: [identity profile] bellelaqueen.livejournal.com


It's my favorite episode so far. The Monsta now wants to invent a bioluminescent light bulb.

He won't though, cos he's an ideas man.

From: [identity profile] ripperlyn.livejournal.com


But in both cases, you initially have to believe completely in the worthiness of what you're pursuing - the theory, the creative idea - and keep believing until you get evidence in the end.

I'm in an odd place because we've just had a really good workshop of a piece I've been working on for over a year now. It's better than when it started but still so far from complete.

I think the important thing is that you don't follow one path because you're afraid of failing at the other. Just risk it. You're young, you have your health, you can fix almost anything before it gets too late.

I believe in you, whatever you decide to do. ::hugs::

From: [identity profile] ripperlyn.livejournal.com


::nods:: Yeah. Remember as well that you can put something away for ten months and then suddenly one day you think, "I know how to fix that one" and you go back and keep going on it. :)

From: [identity profile] taische.livejournal.com

Forward Looking Back


Hmph... I'm one someone else's wireless network in Vegas with a dying battery... In short, I agree with [livejournal.com profile] merditha, [livejournal.com profile] sekl, [livejournal.com profile] qb1kenobi, and [livejournal.com profile] ripperlyn. I left the physics establishment precisely because the chances of my working on the most interesting problems (which were least likely to produce publishable results and most likely to lead to a succession of "failures") while maintaining a carrier in the science were very small. It was a sense of the scientific equivalent of "artistic integrity" that drove that. I don't mind failing at the things I love; I do mind giving myself over to a life of muted passions and dreams compromised by measures-adopted. For what it's worth- whatever path you choose (long- or short-term), you're unlikely to find yourself alone (in spirit or spirits). I'll buy the first round.

From: [identity profile] limenal.livejournal.com


Hey - I realize you posted this almost 10 days ago, but I really related to it and wanted to drop in and say hi. I've been thinking a lot about what else I want to do in my life besides being a lawyer, and what it would take to do something more creative (for me, writing) instead. I find that the hardest thing at this point is even finding the energy to do any creative writing (or even LJ posting!) on the side, and I remember how stretched you were when you were taking that art class while still working in California. And in the background I share your fears re: making an exclusive commitment to creative work. So I guess I just wanted to express some solidarity in this dilemma.
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